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Town Meeting
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TOWN MEETING: Toronto, Canada, September 7, 2002
Creating Museum IP Policy in a Digital World
Museum Computer Network Conference
co-hosted by Canadian Heritage Information Network
Meeting Report
Summary
Report
Presentations
Laura Gasaway, Drafting Copyright Policies:
The University Experience
Rina Pantalony, Why Museums Need an IP Policy
Christopher Hale, Institutional IP Policy from
an International Perspective
Maria Pallante, From IP Audit to Valuation
and Management
Workshop
Introductions
Brian Porter, Putting Together a Museum's IP
Policy: Renaissance ROM as a Case Study
Rachelle Browne, Constructing Values: What to
Put into a Policy
Workshops
Open
Forum 1 | Open Forum 2 | Resources
| Speakers' Biographical
Sketches
WELCOME
AND INTRODUCTIONS
Leonard
Steinbach, Welcome
Len Steinbach, President of the Museum Computer Network (MCN),
welcomed the audience and expressed his delight that MCN could
host this Town Meeting. He discussed NINCH's role as an institutional
membership organization that hosts, in addition to the Town
Meetings, forums where leaders in the cultural heritage community
can convene to discuss the future of networking cultural information,
what policies are needed, how to support promising initiatives,
and how to help navigate the direction of the cultural industry.
He urged the audience to support NINCH and its programs by
having their institutions join
the organization.
David Green, The Meeting in Context
David Green, Executive Director of NINCH, thanked the President
and Board of MCN for their support, and the planning committee
(Amalyah Keshet, Rina Pantalony, Len Steinbach and Diane Zorich)
for their assistance in developing the nineteenth NINCH Copyright
Town Meeting. He introduced NINCH as an advocacy and leadership
organization comprised of a diverse coalition of member institutions
drawn from around the cultural community.
Green
gave a brief history of the Town Meetings, noting that they
were rooted in the Conference on Fair Use (CONFU). The CONFU
meetings were convened by the United States government in
the 1990s, and brought together IP stakeholders to create
practical guideline for the implementation of fair use. CONFU
failed, but the process revealed a lack of understanding within
the cultural community about the facts of copyright, fair
use, and how the Internet might change their work. With the
College Art Association (CAA) and the American Council of
Learned Societies (ACLS), NINCH organized a series of Town
Meetings around the country to help rectify this situation.
When the Town Meetings began in 1997-1998, a series of events
(i.e., the failure of CONFU, the passage of the Digital Millennium
Copyright Act (DMCA) and the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension
Act, and other restricting legislative efforts) left the community
struggling to keep fair use and other copyright exceptions
alive in the digital world.
The focus
of the Town Meetings moved on from these issues to address
new arenas. In the 2000 series, meetings were held on the
public domain, on distance education and faculty ownership
of material, and on community guidelines and resources. In
2001, the Town Meetings examined the interaction between copyright
and the public domain, and copyright and new economic models.
The meetings examined emerging licensing ventures such as
AMICO, ArtSTOR, and the
Research
Libraries Group's Cultural Materials Program. The meetings
also began to address the "how to's" of intellectual
property, such as how to seek permission for materials, and
how to make and change institutional IP policy in a university
environment. This last subject led directly to this Town Meeting
on developing IP policies in museums. Green noted that there
is a great need for such policies in museums to "mesh
the needs of individuals and institutions, owners and users,
in a statement that articulates values, mission, and the economic
reality of institutions."
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I.
THE IMPORTANCE OF INSTITUTIONAL INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY POLICY
Laura
Gasaway, Drafting Copyright Policies: The University Experience
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Presentation Slides (as Powerpoint
; as PDF)
Laura
Gasaway spoke about her most recent experience in developing
campus IP policy at the University of North Carolina (UNC),
Chapel Hill, and her appointment as Co-Chair of a UNC system
task force that drafted a system-wide ownership policy for
over 16 campuses. She noted that there are two aspects to
copyright policies on campus: the ownership and management
of copyright, and the use of copyrighted works. Universities
have focused on the ownership issues rather than the use issues
because the latter are more complicated, especially when dealing
with slides and other images.
Gasaway
identified five reasons why one should have a copyright ownership
policy at a university:
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it
protects the university (copyright issues can be costly
for universities;
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it
protects the faculty, who create the majority of the works
at a university;
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it
clarifies the rights of staff;
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it
clarifies the rights of students; and
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it
addresses issues before disputes arise.
In the
university world, the ideal process for developing an ownership
policy is to involve all portions of the academic community,
i.e., faculty, staff, students, librarians, administrators,
legal counsel, those involved in technology transfer, etc.
Policy should not be drafted solely by legal counsel or administration.
(Gasaway noted that faculty would be highly suspicious of
a policy drafted by either of these groups.) Fortunately,
many universities have law faculty who are viewed as faculty
first and foremost, and thus are treated as a more trusted
partner in policy development by the larger faculty community
than is university counsel.
Gasaway
identified some of the important issues in copyright ownership
for universities. First and foremost is the issue of faculty
creations. In the university environment, there is a tradition
of faculty ownership of copyright in works they produce. This
tradition is often referred to as the "faculty exception"
in the work-for-hire doctrine. It is a judicial exception;
it is not written into the copyright statute. This tradition
has come under sudden challenges because of the digital environment
and the fact that some of these faculty-created digital works
may be highly lucrative. The definition of a work-for-hire
within US law is a work prepared by an employee within the
scope of employment. (It also includes work specially ordered
or commissioned for use as a contribution to a collective
work.) Does a faculty member's contract create an employment
situation? In some senses it does - the university pays taxes
and benefits for the faculty member; in other senses it does
not - the employing institution seldom states what must be
produced, only that one must produce. Generally, because of
the assumed faculty exemption to the work-for-hire doctrine,
faculty works normally are not considered work-for-hire. This
is not the case for staff works, which are usually produced
within the scope of their employment. Student works on the
other hand, are certainly not a work-for-hire.
Gasaway
noted other complicating issues of ownership in a university
environment. Who owns copyright in works resulting from grant-funded
research? If there are ownership terms in a grant then they
will prevail, but often there are no such terms or, if the
work results from a government grant, there is no copyright
(i.e., the work is in the public domain.) What about faculty-student
collaborations? These come in many guises. And what do you
do when you have many collaborators on a project (such as
a lab manual developed within a chemistry department)? It
is often hard to assign individual authorship in these cases
and copyright is more likely to be owned by the university.
There
are many ways to address copyright ownership issues in universities.
Faculty can agree to reimburse the university for substantial
investment made by the university for creation of their work.
Faculty also can give the university a "shop right"
(a patent right whereby an employer permits an employee to
own copyright in the work although the work technically is
a work-for-hire, in exchange for a grant to the employer to
use the work in the "shop.") Or the university can
own the work. Joint ownership is another possibility, but
it is not the easiest answer. A joint copyright owner can
do anything with the work -- their sole responsibility is
to account to the other party. Thus if a university sells
a work in which it jointly owns copyright, it can do so without
the knowledge of the co-owning faculty member, as long as
the university shares the proceeds with that faculty member.
Gasaway
next addressed the "use side" of copyright policy.
Why should an institution have a use policy as part of its
copyright policy?" First, a university wants to encourage
its faculty to be creative in their use of copyrighted works
in their teaching and research, and wants to establish norms
for faculty behavior. The university also wants to guide students,
faculty and staff, and encourage full exploitation of fair
use or fair dealing privileges. A use policy also helps the
university protect itself and educate its community about
copyright, and helps regularize the process for seeking permission.
The development
of use policies has led many universities to create a position
called "copyright officer" -- often an attorney
or librarian -- who works with the faculty on their IP issues.
It is important that this person represents the creators of
copyrighted works. A university's corporate counsel represents
the university, not the creators in the university.
Use policy
is rife with legal issues, so legal counsel is critical when
creating them. (Ownership policy issues are less about legal
issues and more about policy choices - i.e., who should own.)
But in working with university legal counsel, Gasaway advised
discovering their position on fair use and fair dealing, and
to ensure they are not so risk averse that they refuse to
use these hard-fought exemptions. You also have to make certain
the legal counsel working with you has copyright experience.
Many attorneys in universities do not have this experience;
they usually specialize in other areas of law that are needed
in a university setting.
In conclusion,
Gasaway noted that the overall benefit of policy drafting
is that it helps crystallize thinking about various policy
choices. Policy drafting also focuses attention on the good
of the institution versus individual self-interest. And finally,
it is interesting group exercise. If you involve staff at
all levels you will find it easier to have a policy accepted
and embraced by the community.
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Rina
Pantalony, Why Museums Need an IP Policy
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Slides (as Powerpoint
; as PDF)
Rina Pantalony's presentation compared and contrasted university
and museum IP to highlight the distinctions and the unique
IP policy needs in museums.
Pantalony
reviewed Gasaway's discussion of the characteristics of university
IP, emphasizing that the diversity and lucrative nature of
university IP assets calls for policy in areas such as trade
secrets and patents, areas which are not prevalent in museums.
She noted that university IP holds great economic potential
and has a high level of private sector investment that requires
universities to manage their assets and investments prudently.
A university needs to understand who owns what, how much protection
it needs as an institution, and how it can clearly articulate
the relationship between the institution, its faculty, and
its students. Pantalony cited MIT's recent policy to aggressively
develop its most financially lucrative IP assets, and let
its less financially promising IP assets go into the public
domain, as an interesting reflection of the importance and
impact of the economic aspects for universities (See MIT's
Open Courseware Initiative).
Turning
her discussion to museums, Pantalony identified four broad
areas where IP is found in museums:
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in
collections (e.g., objects and images);
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in
technology (e.g. collections management database systems,
innovative online applications);
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in
academic activities (e.g., curatorial and scholarly research);
and
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in
administration (e.g., in institutional policies, statements).
The commercial
potential of these IP assets was originally driven by media
interests. A few years ago the Canadian Heritage Information
Network (CHIN) commissioned a commercial market study to determine
where the demand for museum content might be found. The study
revealed that museum assets held interest in the broadcasting,
publishing, advertising and multimedia development industries.
Pantalony has also noticed a growing commercial potential
in product licensing for museums, as seen in retail shops
or efforts by institutions such as the Museum
of Fine Arts, Boston, the Victoria
and Albert Museum, and Colonial
Williamsburg. Another new and interesting area of commercial
potential for museum IP is in the educational community, where
it could feasibly drive R&D investment in areas of content
creation and technology development for distance and lifelong
learning opportunities.
Pantalony
concluded by offering a non-exhaustive list of reasons why
museums must develop IP policies:
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IP
is an asset (like bricks and mortar) and there are legal
and fiduciary obligations for Boards and managers to manage
these assets prudently. A policy is a first good step
towards prudent IP management.
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IP
increases our direct communication with global audiences.
This communication creates a host of new issues involving
jurisdiction, commerce, etc., and has taken our management
requirements and burdens to a new level.
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IP
has commercial potential; this potential requires fiscal
management, and policy can guide and enhance the management.
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The
education potential of IP requires a forward-thinking,
balanced strategy between users, the academic side of
museums (e.g., curators), and institutions. Such a strategy
must also take into account educational exceptions such
as fair use and fair dealing, making sure these exceptions
are not disregarded because of our current protective
environment.
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Conflicting
administrative pressures dictate a need for clarity about
IP and its management.
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Policies
provide an opportunity for museums to add their voice
to broader IP debates.
Pantalony
cited the TEACH
(Technology, Education and Copyright Harmonization) Act, a
new bill in the US Congress, as an example. (See ALA's April
2002
"Issue Update" on the Act.) This bill is essentially
an exception to copyright for production or use of IP in distance
learning environments. Museums may be not be able to take
advantage of its provisions because they may not be considered
accredited educational institutions within the definitions
of the bill. When Pantalony spoke with individuals involved
in the lobbying process behind this bill, she was asked "Where
were the museums? They weren't there." Pantalony felt
that by placing policies on paper and sharing them, museums
begin to add their voice to the broader discussions and help
ensure they are heard on a larger playing field.
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Discussion
Policy
in University Museums
Diane Zorich asked how policy in a university museum might
interact or conflict with its parent university's policy.
Gasaway mentioned that in her experience in the UNC system,
which includes galleries and museums, she observed that the
ownership policies for the university were broad enough to
encompass the museums, although they didn't really address
the curatorial aspect. She suggested that each of the galleries
and museums in a university need to take the overall university
policy and go further with it if there were issues not covered
for them. Pantalony thought that university museums may need
"subpolicies," but cautioned that if you become
too granular with your policies in a university setting (i.e.,
every school and department having its own policies) you might
lose balance with the other areas of the university.
Museums
and the Circumvention of Copyright
Richard Rinehart described how museums own many public domain
works but control them through access to the physical object.
Are museums using this as a way to circumvent copyright? Gasaway
said that she has come up against this frequently in her experience
with museums and archival collections. She tries to shame
museums and archives by essentially asking them (when it is
not an issue of preservation), "why are you doing this?"
How can museums expect access to other works when they aren't
offering it for their own works? Pantalony noted that by controlling
access, museums are a lot more like the recording industry
than they care to admit. She suggested users ask museums who
restrict access why they are doing it. That might further
a user's understanding for the museum's perspective and also
break down some barriers that the museum has put up. She summed
it up by saying, "do more than just ask, ask why."
Museum
dot.coms
Brian Porter liked Pantalony's list of reasons for developing
a museum IP policy so much that he said he would refer to
them as "Rina's Rules." He asked if Rule #3 ("commercial
potential requires sound fiscal management") was at play
in the dissolution of the MoMA/Tate dot.com enterprise. Pantalony
replied that the MoMA experience was not unlike what many
museums were experimenting with at the time, and, like the
entire dot.com environment, it was being rethought and may
resurface with different permutations.
When
is IP "born"?
Len Steinbach asked at what point museums give birth to a
piece of IP? He noted this his institution, the Cleveland
Museum of Art, developed a recent project that included the
published work of a conservator, xray and infrared photography
from the conservation department, text by the curator, education
department work, images, etc. At what point in the midst of
these activities did it become IP? When does the museum start
considering and treating it as their IP? Gasaway noted that
the example Steinbach cited was clearly a compilation under
US law, and the "work" was likely created very early
in the process. She said that it may be a policy issue as
to when you claim rights in a work, but the copyrightable
work itself was created very early on. Pantalony noted that
the definition of a compilation work is different in Canada
and the answer for Canadian museums might be a little different.
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THE
INTERNATIONAL PERSPECTIVE
Christopher
Hale, Institutional IP Policy from an International
Perspective
Chris
Hale broadly addressed the development of museum IP policy,
and highlighted areas where international issues could come
into play.
He began
by emphasizing the unique role museums have as both users
and owners, and noted that it is important that museums be
consistent with these roles. The attitudes museums take with
respect to their own IP must reflect the respect the institution
shows to the IP of others. He also suggested that museums
start to consider themselves as "acquirers of rights"
in addition to being acquirers of objects. And he suggested
that in considering IP policy development, museums start from
an examination of the relationships they have with their employees,
staff, volunteers and all other individuals with whom they
interact.
Using
Canadian and US law as examples, Hale highlighted areas where
differences in copyright play out. First, the bundle of rights
that constitute a copyright can vary from one country to another.
Rental rights, public exhibition rights, copyright term length,
work-for-hire provisions, and exceptions to infringement (e.g.,
fair use or fair dealing) are also important areas where law
may vary by country. Hale cautioned that if you are undertaking
activities in another country, it is critical to understand
and abide by its rules in all these areas. Citing fair use
as a defense, for example, will not get you very far in Canada.
Moral
rights constitute another important area of IP law that varies
by country. In Canada, moral rights are very significant;
in the US, they are less so. Canadian moral rights allow creators
to be identified with their work and to have integrity over
their work (i.e., to resist distortions, mutilations or other
modifications to the work, and to resist association with
a product, cause, or institution if it may damage the reputation
of the artist.) Moral rights can be waived but not transferred
by contract. They always reside with the creator, and the
creator is the only one who can waive these rights. In addition,
the term for moral rights in Canada is the same as the term
of copyright, so moral rights pass along after the death of
the creator to a bequeathed or to an heir.
In the
larger realm of IP policy, copyright is only one of several
IP issues. Museums must also consider patent or trademark
rights, as well as their institutional liability should they
infringe on someone else's patent or trademark. The latter
circumstance is not as unlikely as it may seem. Patents are
increasingly being given for business practices which may
take place in your institution as a matter of course. For
example, a patented ticketing system that is used by a museum
may not be collections-related, but it is still integral to
a museum's operations. In summarizing, Hale noted that it
is important for museum IP policy go beyond the copyright
regime, and for museums to be vigilant about laws and distinctions
in other countries where they conduct business.
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Discussion
Resources on International Copyright Terms
An audience member asked if there was any resource that tabulated
all the known copyright terms internationally. Hale and Pantalony
weren't aware of any single chart, although Pantalony recommended
a work entitled Copyright
in Photographs: An International Survey (by Ysolde
Gendreau, Axel Nordemann and Rainer Oesch, Kluwer Law International,
The Netherlands, 1999), which looks at laws in the US, Canada,
Asia, and Europe. Hale cautioned that this work is for photographs,
which are often subject to much greater restrictions in copyright
term than other work, and urged the audience not to extrapolate
from this to other types of objects. Pallante suggested the
WIPO Web site might have a term chart; the audience member
replied that she had found information at the site, but it
was very sophisticated and hard to interpret.
International Copyright Laws and the Web
Diane Zorich asked how an institution can responsibly respect
the laws of other nations when it places its materials on
the Web, since it can't realistically investigate the laws
of every single nation (which is, theoretically, the geographic
range for these materials when they are placed online.) Hale
noted that making information available on the Internet makes
it accessible in many jurisdictions, but the mere fact of
accessibility may not constitute an infringement in the laws
of other jurisdictions. Museums need to rely on domestic counsel,
and this counsel will need to take a wider view of things
and decide if the mere fact of display on the Internet is
enough to infringe in another country.
THE
PROCESS OF POLICYMAKING
Maria
Pallante, From IP Audit to Valuation and Management
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Slides (as Powerpoint;
as PDF)
-See Handout (as Word
document; as PDF)
Maria
Pallante's presentation took a practical approach, building
on the broader concerns articulated by previous speakers,
but honing in on the actual process of finding out what intellectual
property a museum actually owns as an institution, how to
ascribe value to it, and how to manage it.
Beginning
with the first topic -- finding out what a museum owns --
the only accurate way to accomplish this is by undertaking
an IP audit. Pallante identified several reasons for conducting
such an audit. First, you need an audit in order to develop
an accurate IP policy. It is impossible to develop sound policy
without it being rooted in the IP reality of an organization.
Second, the audit tells you what it is you have and where
it came from. This is revealed through an inventory of IP
assets. Thirdly, an IP audit will trigger and facilitate creative
projects using found assets. Pallante noted that one of the
"joys of inventory" is finding out that you own
something you didn't realize you owned. In the Guggenheim
collection for example, Pallante and her legal colleagues
discovered when going through the files that the Museum owned
the copyright to the artwork Grrrrrrrrrrr!
by Roy Lichtenstein; the artist had bequeathed the copyright
to the Museum, but the staff had not been alerted. This kind
of discovery starts a chain reaction of activity: the retail
store realizes it doesn't need to pay royalties on posters
or other products that feature the work, the publication department
realizes it can put the work online, and the institution may
consider licensing the work. Creative juices flow when you
realize you own IP.
Another
important reason for conducting an audit is to monitor compliance.
Compliance is the role of the legal office and most department
heads, and to some extent the IT director. If your institution
has a lot of third party institutional agreements, monitoring
is very important. If you don't monitor these agreements,
you run into situations such having staff in your retail shop
failing to enter proper royalty rates, or staff that is unaware
of your agreement with ASCAP and thus not providing compliance
data, etc. Getting your staff to do the operations once you
have an agreement in place is often where things fall apart
and is why monitoring is critical. With licenses, compliance
is largely knowing what licenses or agreements say, not making
assumptions, and making sure relevant staff know of the obligations.
Staff
alertness is also critical in monitoring compliance. Pallante
noted that Guggenheim staff often let her know when they see
the Guggenheim name, building image, or artwork in contexts
that they are not sure are legitimate. Knowing who to communicate
this kind of information to is sometimes the greatest gap
in monitoring compliance in an institution.
Pallante next addressed the question of who should conduct
the IP audit in a museum, stating that anyone with a vested
interest in these issues could take the lead. Generally, the
push comes from a person who wants to know, on a regular basis,
the state of the collection, the state of the files, etc.
Although one person needs to take the lead, conducting the
audit is not a one-person job. Every person in every department
in a museum will have their own IP, so it is best for people
in each department to look at their particular department's
assets. This is a big project for an institution, and Pallante
suggests setting up institution-wide meetings where people
investigate IP in their departments and then come back to
the larger group to report.
When should
an IP audit be conducted? Pallante defined an IP audit as
a never-ending process that must be done regularly. She cautioned
that if you don't do it regularly, you will have to do it
before you enter into any business venture or contract where
IP is an issue, and then you will find yourself scrambling.
Often the impetus for an audit is the hiring of a new rights
or permissions employee: their arrival spurs action. Pallante
found herself in this situation when she was hired at the
Guggenheim: staff came up to her with urgent inquiries about
copyright status for the collections. To help with this effort,
Pallante recently hired an assistant to handle the administrative
side of IP management. In order to convey some sense of what
the administrative aspects entail, Pallante read some of this
person's job requirements: fact-finding and the administrative
work necessary to obtain permissions and rights required for
artwork, photographs, essays, books, etc.; researching and
identifying rightsholders; facilitating communication and
negotiating and documenting the parameters of a license and
the fees; monitoring compliance of trademark licenses; and
helping to build and maintain a database and Intranet site
for use by employees that includes information needed to adequately
manage the assets. (See the job description - in Word,
or as PDF)
Pallante
quickly outlined some of the places where IP is found in museums:
archives, exhibition and education departments, registrar's
files, curatorial files, directors, office, etc. In reality,
the location of IP is somewhat unique to each institution.
Registrar's files tend to have valuable documents, such as
assignments signed by artists. Curatorial files tend to have
evidence of intent, i.e., what was supposed to have happened
but never actually did. The museum's retail store may have
global distribution agreements.
Pallante
explored the question of how a museum deciphers its IP assets
by focusing on trademarks, noting that museum, domain, exhibition,
and catalogue names can be trademarked, as can acronyms, logos,
and buildings. The Guggenheim has actively developed and registered
both its Frank Lloyd Wright exterior circular image of the
building, and the building's interior skylight. These two
building images bring in significant income, which is promptly
used for the Museum's programming and mission. The Legal Department
of the Museum has had to work with the Public Relations Department
to determine what are legitimate publicity uses and what images
require written licenses and revenue.
As an
example of how a museum-developed asset can become a trademark,
Pallante discussed the Guggenheim's Learning through Art program.
This particular program is identified with the Guggenheim
in New York City, but the name is not very unique or distinguishing,
and others elsewhere in the country use the name in related,
albeit independent, ways. To further develop the common law
trademark (which by itself is not registerable), the Guggenheim
is creating a unique logo for the program which will incorporate
the name. This combination may be registered as a design mark.
Using the name with the logo clearly identifies the program
as the Guggenheim's; if someone illegally uses this logo/name
combination, they are clearly trying to create confusion in
the marketplace. Pallante's point in presenting this example
is that museums may want to register even relatively generic
names if they think there is some value there that should
be protected.
Ending
her discussion of trademark, Pallante emphasized that trademark
is a process: you have to use your trademark in interstate
commerce, and you have to keep using it or else you loose
it. The Guggenheim has developed an interesting policy about
the licensing of its trademarks that leverages the value of
its marks for an even greater benefit for the museum. For
high profile licenses in which a company desires major public
association with the Museum's name and image, the Guggenheim
often expects the company to contribute to the Museum's mission
beyond the licensing fee, perhaps as an exhibition sponsor
and or a corporate member.
Turning
to copyrights, Pallante quickly identified the types of works
in museums where copyright might reside: in the collections,
images, brochures, posters, checklists, catalogues, promotional
materials, exhibition design, programs, films, products, websites,
compilations, etc. She discussed licenses and noted that exclusive
licenses effectively cut off other revenue sources, so the
terms of the license have to be very good for one to enter
into these kinds of agreements.
Once the
audit has identified a museum's IP assets and their location,
the next step is valuation, i.e., how do you determine what
they are worth? To whom are they valuable? Is the value financial,
or is it a control issue? Is its value found only in a compilation
or collection like a database? Pallante displayed the IRS
definition of fair market value and summed it up as saying
that your IP is "worth what you can get for it."
The next
activity that follows an audit is management, i.e., what do
you do with what you own? Noting that this area is complex
enough to merit its own conference, Pallante summarized some
of the critical management needs of IP as follows: analyzing
the legal status of rights, registering copyrights, trademarks
and domain names, tracking renewals, tracking status and ownership,
tracking license restrictions, ensuring proper notice is on
reproductions, developing technical requirements and investing
in software for managing the assets.
Technologists
are particularly important for these latter tasks involved
in database development. Pallante identified the kinds of
information she'd need in an automated database, including
artist's name, nationality, and birth/death dates, copyright
status, contact information, licenses on file, restrictions
on use, policies and procedures, lists of proper credit lines,
renewal dates, etc.
An important
part of management is legal notice. A museum's legal notices
on its IP should be specific to what is really being claimed.
For example, a museum probably can't claim copyright in many
of its posters unless the layouts are original. What really
should be on the poster is the artist's copyright (if the
poster is using an image of an artist's work.) Similarly with
digital images, catalogues, photographs, etc., the notices
should be specific to the work where copyright is being claimed;
e.g., "Catalog © 2002 Guggenheim Museum" or
"Photo © 2002 Guggenheim Museum."
Pallante
ended her presentation by noting that the final part of management
is enforcement. Once you have set up your management systems,
you need someone to monitor and enforce your rights and make
sure you are not violating the rights of others.
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FORUM
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"Scooping" a Trademark
Scott Sayre related a trademark saga that occurred when he
worked for the Minneapolis Institute of Arts (MIA). The MIA's
project, ArtsConnectEd,
was created with the MCI Foundation as a funder. The MIA and
the Foundation agreed, in writing, that the MIA would register
and own the trademark to ArtsConnectEd. When the MIA went
to register the trademark, they found that MCI Corporation
already owned it. The MCI Corporation told the MIA that the
agreement they made was with the MCI Foundation, not the Corporation.
Eventually, the MIA was able to obtain the trademark back
from the MCI Corporation. Scott offered this experience as
a cautionary tale about entering into an agreement with someone
who sees intellectual value in the name you provide.
Pallante
responded that contracts only apply to the parties specifically
named within them, and suggested that one way to prevent such
things from happening was to include the organization and
all its affiliates in a contract, to protect yourself from
being undermined by an affiliate. Hale noted that in order
to obtain the US trademark registration, MCI Corporation must
use the mark in interstate commerce or rely upon use by a
licensee. Without knowing more, it would be interesting to
see if the MCI Corporation defined their use as that of the
Foundation. This would imply that there was a licensing relationship
between the Corporation and the Foundation.
Revocation
of Copyright Assignments
Lu Harper asked the panelists about revocations of artists
assignments by an estate, and whether there is an obligation
to inform owners of art work when such revocation has taken
place. Her institution had a written artist's assignment for
a work, but was told by the estate's licensing organization
that this meant nothing.
Pallante said that it sounded like the estate was ignoring
the assignment of copyright under US law, and they did not
have the right to do this. She urged Harper and her institution
to carefully review the assignment document to understand
just what it states. Hale brought up the possibility that
"reversionary" rights might be coming into play
here. In Canada, when 25 years remain on a term of copyright,
all rights revert back to the heirs. You cannot contract out
of this. Reversionary rights also exist in US law, but they
are complicated and not automatic, as in Canadian law. Without
knowing all the details, Hale suggested that this may be what
is happening in Harper's situation. Pantalony suggested that
this kind of situation necessitates "another column in
your IP audit sheet" that identifies works where assignments
exist, so you can give yourself a warning date when something
may be reverting back.
Domain
Name Registration: How Much is Enough?
Len Steinbach asked how a museum can reasonably determine
how many domain names it should register. His institution
(the Cleveland Museum of Art) used a computer program that
took words like "art," "museum," "store,"
"Cleveland" etc., and created every permutation
that could be used as a domain name. They came up with approximately
380 possibilities for their institution. How far does a museum
really have to go in licensing all these domain names?
Pallante
said that defensive registrations -- registering names you
never intend to use but want to prevent others from using
-- is not as important as it was in the past because new law
and the development of ICANN registration/arbitration procedures
are of tremendous help in countering cybersquatting. Hale
added that if everyone pursues a "register all possibilities"
strategy, we will be back to where we were a few years ago:
needing more top-level domain names. He advised museums to
simply figure out the names they really want to use, noting
that the goal should be to ensure that people can easily find
you on the Web.
Gasaway
suggested that cease-and-desist letters that mention the anti-cybersquatting
statute are often enough to get someone to surrender a domain
name, but both Pallante and Hale cautioned that this can backfire,
with people publishing your cease-and-desist letters on the
Web or circulating them online with negative commentary. By
doing so, suddenly your complaint is twisted into something
that becomes a public relations disaster. Hale suggested another
strategy: monitoring the registration of domain names that
have been registered by a cybersquatters. Sometimes cybersquatters
forget to renew their registrations, and you can then register
the name for your institution.
Rights
Management Software
A audience member asked if there was any off-the-shelf software
for managing IP. Pallante suggested researching corporations
and law firms to see what they are using, since they have
been managing IP for a long time. Len Steinbach said that
there are very expensive software packages that deal with
rights management, but also noted that the collections management
systems for museums are getting sophisticated in this area.
Pantalony knew of software systems that can sit on top of
your collections management system and assist with the IP
management aspects, but emphasized that there is nothing that
offers everything you want, and you still will be resorting
to multiple methods for organizing and accessing IP information.
David Green noted that the NSF is sponsoring an effort to
create a digital rights management core in metadata, which
will help further standards in the recording of rights management
information.
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WORKSHOP
Brian
Porter, Putting Together a Museum's IP Policy: Renaissance
ROM as a Case Study
-See the
Presentation Slides (as Powerpoint
; as PDF)
-See the ROM Copyright Policy (in Word,
or in PDF)
-See the ROM Trademark Policy (in Word,
or in PDF)
-See the ROM Information Management Policy (in Word,
or in PDF)
Brian
Porter began his talk by making some important points about
content. In the new media environment, content, not bandwidth,
is in demand, and it is content that museums like ROM have
and need to exploit.
Porter
provided background and an overview of the Royal Ontario Museum
(ROM) and the changes that are underway there. ROM is Canada's
largest museum, with a dual mandate of culture and civilization,
and natural science. Porter briefly discussed "Renaissance
ROM," a capital campaign and renovation program designed
to reinvent the museum. He also discussed "ROM Digital,"
another initiative piggybacking onto Renaissance ROM, which
will systematically digitize the collections and leverage
these new assets. ROM Digital will consist of a number of
a new structures and activities in the Museum, including the
implementation of a new collections management system, an
imaging center, a digital repository database, a digital gallery,
and education and business applications.
As ROM
begins these new initiatives, the Museum has had to learn
a new language of business. The fiscal responsibilities and
issues involved in taking digital assets and making money,
or identifying ways to make money, are a huge challenge. It
will require technology, policy, process, and organizational
changes, but the outcome will ensure that the Museum has a
disciplined capture process and secure storage of its assets.
For Porter, it is all about creating and protecting assets,
providing wider access to them, helping people make personal
connections through them, and last but not least, improving
efficiencies in internal organization.
As Renaissance
ROM and ROM Digital were underway, the ROM Board adopted a
new governance model that required redrafting several policies
and creating new policy where none existed before. By last
Spring, ROM had 20 new policies in place, including one on
copyright and related policies in the areas of public access,
information management, and publications.
Porter
emphasized that having a copyright policy is one way of recognizing
that your IP is an asset and a commodity. The policy also
addresses the demand for self-sufficiency and revenue growth
and, at ROM, was critical in addressing the inconsistent practices
that existed within the Museum. The process of how the policy
was put together was complex, but a group of staff members
worked on its development and hired a writer, in conjunction
with ROM's Chief Operating Office, to craft the document.
Porter
reviewed some items outlined in ROM's IP policy. The policy
notes for example, that ROM owns the economic rights in works
produced by employees and has interests to economic rights
created in conjunction with ROM-funded activity or research.
The policy also details the steps for employees entering into
projects that are not directly related to their employment
at the Museum and outlines use of ROM resources for external
projects. It allows employees to waive moral rights where
ROM owns economic rights to the content, addresses the right
of integrity for accessioned objects, and requires that senior
executives have all information necessary to ensure that ROM
staff and the institution is adhering to the policy.
In a model
that is driving the business side of ROM's digital initiatives,
the Museum is expecting immense growth in three key areas:
the museum attraction, asset exploitation, and education programs.
Copyright policy is key to success in these areas. As projects
and programs develop, ROM will be considering its initiatives
along a four-part matrix that includes process, policy, technology
and organization issues. Porter concluded by suggesting that
the audience members who participate in the workshop portion
of the program consider this four-part matrix when they address
the workshop scenarios and draft some policy statements.
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Rachelle
Browne, Constructing Values: What to Put Into a Policy
Rachelle Browne examined the importance of understanding an
institutions larger values in constructing policy. When
asked to speak on this topic, Browne initially was overwhelmed
by its complexity. Among the first questions that she asked
herself was how does one identify the sources for an institutions
larger values? Do you look at an institutions governing
documents? Enabling charters? Any applicable codes of museum
ethics? Or the general expectations of the communities that
are served by the museum? Even if you assume that you can
identify the sources for those values, how should those values
be applied in a museum setting that may be beset with a host
of financial, legal, technical, time or other practical constraints?
In constructing a policy, is there any value in
doing so if the policy only responds to or addresses current
problems or challenges? In other words, should that policy
anticipate, and be drafted with an eye to being useful in
addressing, future concerns and museum needs as both technologies
and the communitys established practices and understandings
evolve? And, just what policy are we constructing? Is it solely
a policy on a museums own uses of copyrighted materials
or on its handling of requests from third parties for the
use of materials from the museums collections? Or, should
the policy also address the disposition of rights between
the museum and its employees, freelancers, volunteers or interns?
To get started, Browne drew upon three well -taught, but simple
lessons from her grandmother (Browne reminded participants
that neither her grandmother nor she made any claims of original
authorship to these lessons): 1) thou shall not steal; 2)
do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and 3)
make new friends but keep the old. She considered these lessons
in two contexts: when museums want access to others
materials, and when other parties want access to museum materials.
In both contexts, a museum may have a legal basis to do what
they want to do, but that legal position is not always the
most sound one for a museum. Browne noted that a prudent museum
should examine the consequences of any particular policy in
the context of the following:
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How
does the policy fit in with the museums mission?
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How
does the policy enhance museum delivery of education,
cultural or other public good?
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Does
the policy respect and support innovation and creation,
as evidence in the level of fairness with which it treats
artists, donors, sources communities, users and visitors?
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Is
the policy consistent with stewardship responsibilities?
She asked
the audience to consider two different scenarios:
Scenario
1:
A wife of an aging, visual artist asks a museum about a reproduction
of his original painting in a popular trade book. The museum
purchased the painting in 1977 for $1000, and the work was
reproduced in that same year in a calendar published by the
museum. The museum has no record that the museum authorized
the reproduction of the painting for this particular book.
The Museum informs the artist of this fact, and also informs
the artist that it believes that the work fell into the public
domain in 1977 upon its sale to the museum (when it was also
first published, without copyright notice.) The response does
not mention that since 1977, the museum has collected usage
fees of over $3,000 for reproductions of the work in other
contexts, nor does the response mention that the museum has
included this image in a digital database created for university
use in closed networks.
Is the
museums legal position defensible (i.e., that the artists
work is in the public domain)? Maybe. Assuming that the museums
position is correct, is the museum now free to usurp control
of any residual economic value in the image because it controls
physical access to the object? Can the museum now authorize
and license reproduction of the work for a fee? Should the
museum, as an ethical matter, account for and share the proceeds
with the artist? If it did so, does this mean the museum also
must treat all public domain works of living artists in this
same manner?
Contrast
the museums response in this scenario with the response
in the following one.
Scenario
2
In the early 1970s, an artist allowed the museum to include
his painting in an exhibit. The artist never retrieved the
work from the museum. Twenty years later, museum staff find
the painting and recommend it for reproduction as one of several
images in a children's educational gameboard. The game sold
for $15.00 and never made any money for the museum. A new
registrar discovers that the painting was never accessioned
into the collection. The museum director, on his own initiative
and without legal counsel, contacts the artist and invites
the artist to the museum at the museums expense. At
the meeting, the artist is provided with a copy of the gameboard
and the financial report of all sales and expenses associated
with the game.
Assuming
that the painting was published, without notice, upon being
lent to the museum, and consequently fell into the public
domain, what obligation, if any, did the museum have to the
artist? Possibly none. What did the museum gain? In this instance,
it got a written deed of gift from the artist for the work,
an oral interview from the artist for the archives, and it
removed any risk that the artist might have found out about
the infringement on his own. It was a win-win situation. In
the case of intangible communal property - folklore or sacred
songs - in the public domain, a museum, a matter of policy
and not law, may exercise a form of self-censorship, limiting
access to, or dissemination and exploitation of, such materials
unless adequate and respectful safeguards are followed. Browne
discussed a set of guidelines that Tony Seeger (former director
of Smithsonian Folkways Recordings) has written about for
collecting and recording music from developing and developed
countries, which emphasize fair and ethical treatment of artists
and performers, even thought these practices may put added
burdens on the organization. Why would a museum following
the same principles assume added constraints on its operations
or act in a manner contrary to its mission of disseminating
information as freely and as broadly as possible? On
reason is that a museum does not want to marginalize the communities
who create the works in their collections. Another reason
is that a museum could risk alienating the wider community
that supports its mission.
Browne
addressed the second lesson -- do unto others as you would
have them do unto you -- in considering requests from others
to use materials in the museums collections. Browne
noted that museums, unlike the motion picture industry, record
companies, or for-profit publishers, historically have operated
in a gift economy, where the focus is on the educational,
cultural, scientific or societal exchange. But many museum
are developing policies that may impair access and exchange,
especially in digital environments.
The goal
of most museums digitization projects is generally to
preserve the originals and encourage and provide wider access
on a non-commercial basis. The question then must be asked,
given these objectives, why would a museum have a policy of
imposing barriers, such as watermarks or other protective
copyright management tools, that limit a website visitors
access to, or ability to reuse a work in digital format? Or
why would a museum claim rights to still images and other
works in digital format when the underlying work may enjoy
no copyright protection? Museums have some legitimate reasons
for doing so: for example, licensing or other contractual
obligations imposed by the source of the materials; a sense
that the museum has a fiduciary obligation to protect the
integrity of the work from diminution by the publics"
misuse; and an obligation to prevent the disposal or giving
away of the museums assets with little or no consideration
for the inurement of private, commercial interests as distinguished
from the general public. But increasingly some of the reasons
are not really tenable (such as claiming rights in a digital
copy of a public domain image) and risk incurring the ire
of larger communities as well as calling into question a museums
core values.
Browne
quickly summarized the third lesson (make new friends
and keep the old) as it applies to museums by encouraging
museums to devise IP policies rooted in their core values
but which also embraced the role and place of new technologies.
She concluded her presentation by stating that legal issues
should not be the sole lens through which a museum focuses
its IP policy. Values and ethics play an equally important
role.
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WORKSHOP
ACTIVITY
See the
Scenarios (in Word or in PDF)
After
giving their individual presentations, Porter and Browne led
the group in the second part of the workshop: an exercise
in drafting policy in response to three particular scenarios
that they created. The audience was split into groups of six
to eight people and given thirty minutes to read through,
discuss, and draft a policy that addressed one of the three
scenarios. Each group selected a discussion leader, a timekeeper,
and a "scribe" to record the discussion and draft
the sample policy statements. At the end of this time, each
group reported on what it had discussed and the statements
it had crafted.
Exercise
1:
The group who worked on this exercise - developing an IP policy
that addressed handling requests from outside parties for
copyrighted works in the museum's collection -- felt that
the series of questions in the scenario, and the questions
in Exercise 1, required first and foremost a broad "mission-like"
statement in the policy that identified the purpose and core
values of such a policy. To that end, they proposed the following:
"The purpose of the Museum's IP policy is to :
1. Respect the IP rights of all stakeholders involved
2. Protect and promote the museum's intellectual assets
3. Provide defined authorities and guidelines for managing
these assets
4. Educate staff and users about the policy and monitor its
compliance
Once the
group agreed on this broad, philosophical position statement,
they felt the museum staff could develop specific statements
on handling museum assets, whether the underlying IP of these
assets was owned by the museum or not. Time constraints prevented
the group from crafting language that addressed these specifics.
Exercise
2:
The group working on this exercise addressed the issues of
fees associated with using museum IP assets. The scenario
asked the group to develop a policy that addressed the issue
of fees when the museum owned the IP rights, and when it did
not. Participants in this group drafted the following position
statements:
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The
museum has the right to derive, at a minimum, cost-recovery
from any request, or fees through a standard pricing schedule
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Requests
to use materials must contain restrictions. All requests
should follow the same process.
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Copyrighted
works should not be used before the copyright holders
have been contacted. Proof of copyright clearance must
exist before releasing the item.
After
reporting on their position statements, a short discussion
ensued on practices in this area in other museums. Amalyah
Keshet spoke about the distinction between a copyright and
a use fee, the latter being a fee for use of the museum's
product (not the underlying work). This use fee helps recoup
the museum's considerable costs in creating the product. Richard
Rinehart noted that most users would understand a fee for
recouping a museum's time and expense in providing them with
a photograph of a work or access to a work. What they object
to is when they pay a use or access fee for a photograph of
a public domain work, but then cannot use the photograph (even
if the user himself took it) except in very restricted circumstances.
Maria
Pallante noted that museums cannot necessarily exploit their
copyright in a photograph without the permission of the artist
who owns the underlying work, because the photograph is technically
a derivative work that requires approval of the original copyright
owner. For this reason, museums need to tell artists when
they acquire their work that the museum needs to photograph
the work for documentation, conservation, etc., but that it
will not photograph their work for commercial purposes without
their permission.
Exercise
3:
The third group addressed the policy issues involved in a
museum's recording and use of a videotape depicting an indigenous
tribe performing a traditional spiritual dance and song. The
museum was using this video as a supplement to an exhibition
on objects from the region. Portions of the video include
chanting that is considered sacred to the indigenous community.
Two groups
addressed the issues in Exercise 3. The first group agreed
that any policy must:
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Respect
the moral rights of authors and performers.
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When
possible, create meaningful contracts with authors and
performers; always negotiate directly with the creators
and performers, as well as any legal entity that has the
right to bargain on their behalf.
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Make
certain that copyright of individual components of the
performance resides with creators, but the copyright in
the aggregate work should be jointly shared between the
museum and the indigenous group.
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Clearly
post copyright statements and/or credits whenever the
work is presented; the copyright statement would be specific
to the work (not a generic statement).
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If
a work is used for commercial purposes, a profit-sharing
agreement will be used if the commodified work makes a
profit. The second group drafted the following position
statements.
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The
new policy will dictate that permissions will be secured,
in advance of any image/sound capture, including for performance
of any underlying copyrighted work. For aboriginal/traditional
cultures, permission will be sought from elders/authorities
of that culture. The museum will ensure ownership of copyright
in the recording by the use of good, clear employment
contracts.
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The
permissions will be broad enough to address various uses
the museum may wish to make, taking into account future
(albeit unknown) technologies.
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The
museum's IP policy will be guided by ethical issues, apart
from strictly legal considerations.
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The
museum will make clear, allowable uses to visitors to
encompass fair dealing/use, and banning commercial use.
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The
museum will ensure good copyright protection for its own
content, and an efficient licensing operation.
OPEN
FORUM 2
At the
end of the workshop, David Green invited all the panelists
to answer any final questions from the audience. The following
issues were discussed.
Copyright
in Web Sites
An audience member asked if his museum could claim copyright
in his Web site as a compilation. Pallante responded in the
affirmative, saying that a Web site is a definitely a compilation
copyright. Although licenses may be needed for use of information/images
at sections of the site, the entire site is copyrightable
as your compilation.
The audience
member followed up with a question about copyrighting dynamic
resources like a database or Web site. Gasaway noted that
the US Copyright Office has been accepting Web site registrations
for a couple of years now, and encouraged people to register
their Web sites. Pallante suggested updating the copyright
registration on these works at frequent intervals. If you
do not choose to register them with the Copyright Office,
you should at least keep files of these resources as "snapshots"
of what they are like at certain points in time. The reason
for this is that often you don't discover infringements until
later, so you will want to have a sense of what your database
was like at the point at which the infringement occurred.
Pantalony noted that CHIN places a date range in their copyright
notice (i.e., Copyright 2000-2002 Canadian Heritage Information
Network) to indicate to users that there have been a series
of changes to the Web site or database during this period
and CHIN holds copyright to all versions of the site that
existed during this period.
Museum
Use of Copyrighted Works for Promotional Activities
Hsiu-Ling Huang asked a question about use of images from
the collection to promote certain museum programs (e.g., the
education department's use of images on a teachers' calendar,
the membership department's use of images on brochures to
recruit new members, etc.) when the rights to the underlying
work belongs to others. Is this type of use "fair use"?
Amalyah Keshet amended this question to include use of such
images for museum fundraising efforts.
Gasaway
responded that this is possibly fair use, but not likely.
Pallante noted that fair use is very fact-intensive. You cannot
extract from one instance of fair use to another. A catalogue
use may be judged fair in one instance, and not in another.
All the examples Huang cited in posing her question are really
very different from one another when considering fair use.
Huang
noted that the museum was not making a profit from these uses.
Gasaway responded that it was a fallacy to think that whether
you make a profit or not determines fair use. Profit-making
is really not the point. It is a tiny piece of one of the
four factors that define the fair use doctrine. The real issue
is the effect on the market for a value of the work to an
artist or a photographer. Gasaway didn't think anything Huang
described qualified as fair use. Browne noted that the uses
Huang mentioned fall in the area of marketing and promotion,
and at her institution (the Smithsonian), they do not see
these as fair uses.
Keshet
raised the quandary that this presents for museums: if a museum
can't use images of copyrighted works in its collections to
convey information about itself, how can it portray and promote
itself? How can it show others what it has in its collections
and why people should come to visit or use its collections
for research? One Israeli copyright attorney has suggested
to Keshet that ideally fair use should include an exception
for informational uses, i.e., just letting people know that
"this is the work I am talking about." Keshet conveyed
an anecdote in which her museum wanted to use reproductions
on museum maps and directional stands whose purpose was solely
to point visitors to the galleries where particular works
are displayed. When given a choice to pay a royalty or take
the signage down, they opted for the latter. Everyone loses
when control is asserted at this level.
(Editors
Note. In May of 2002, a Federal court case in New York suggested
that informational uses such as Ms. Keshet notes above may
be permissible within the context of the First Amendment and
privacy laws of various states. The lawsuit was filed against
the artist Barbara Kruger for her use of a photograph of a
woman (without the woman's permission) in one of her works,
and against the Whitney Museum of Art and the Los Angeles
County Museum of Contemporary Art for reproducing the image
for merchandise and advertisement (of the Kruger work). The
Court stated that the artist's use of the image fell under
the First Amendment as free speech, and the "Whitneys
display of the work was therefore protected by the First Amendment...
as was the reproduction of the image in the exhibition catalogue.
Similarly, ... the leaflets, newsletters, and other exhibition
advertisements, including the large vinyl billboards,
fell outside New Yorks privacy protection, because they
merely proved the worth and illustrated the content
of the show" (See M. Lufkin's
"Art Trumps Right to Privacy," The Art Newspaper.com.
Sept. 27, 2002)
Museums,
Fair Use and Risk Aversion
Richard Rinehart wondered if the museum community needs to
be more proactive in claiming fair use. At his institution
(Berkeley Art Museum, UC, Berkeley), when an issue is borderline,
they take the position of "taking the risk." As
he sees it, when cases come before judges, the judges might
look at the common practice in the field as a sort of baseline
for consideration in rendering a decision. If that common
practice in museums is to be risk-averse, that works against
museums, for that is the rubric by which museums may be judged
in future court cases. Rinehart fears that museums may be
closing the fence around them by adopting this stance. He
sees an ethic coming out of museums that says "being
a responsible museum means being risk-averse" when it
should be that being a responsible museum means being on the
lookout for the public good.
Pallante
cautioned that US copyright law is a strict liability law.
It doesn't matter if you didn't know about something. Thus
an institution's position really does have to depend on how
much risk it wishes to take.
The
Place of Privacy Rights in an IP Policy
Julia Matthews asked if protection of personal privacy was
part of an IP policy. Gasaway responded that this was an important
issue that definitely required a policy, but not within an
IP policy. Matthews felt that privacy issues crop up so frequently
in the context of IP issues that any IP policy would need
to have many "see also" references to its privacy
policy. Gasaway and Pallante agreed that this might often
be the case, but said that privacy rights issues occur in
so many contexts that it should be the subject of its own
policy.
MEETING
CONCLUSION
David Green closed the meeting by thanking everyone who had
participated, and announcing that CHIN and NINCH will be publishing
a book on this subject, based upon presentations and conversation
at this meeting, to be available next Spring.
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